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get rid of the debt ceiling? it's a real brawl. >> just deep six that sucker like no other country deals with this it ottic device. hey, i'm going to borrow some money, but i'll think twice over whether i'm going to pay the bill when it comes. >> what if it was the founding father himself who said i think we ought to have a debt ceiling so as to avoid fiscal recklessness? >> well, in fact, the debt ceiling, the reason we have one is because up until 100 years ago, we voted on every bond issue individually. so you think it's bad now, just imagine if we had had that situation. but looking forward, though, this is very much yesterday's story. it was interesting that the reason the dow took this latest jump upwards was because the house a couple of weeks ago signaled they weren't going to have a fight over the debt ceiling. now, people need to focus on the fact that the next big tripwire is the sequester. i think markets got a little bit complacent the one second. >> we want to talk about the federal reserve, as well. let's recap what the fed did. they kept their $85 billion bond buyin
before. last time in 1995. could it happen? rich edson. we have the fiscal cliff deal. the debt ceiling pushed back and the continuing resolution, right? >> this is because of the debt ceiling in relation to this calendar. the debt ceiling increase is approved in the senate next couple days. that pushes the debt ceiling to may 18th. the back end of number of cliffs upcoming in the calendar. look here at the government deadlines the congress and white house are facing right now. first, march 1st are the automatic spending cuts known as the sequester. they begin to hit the federal budget. that is something that takes place over the course of the year and is gradual. march 27th, that is when government spending runs out. or a large chunk of it. if there is no agreement on that, that could shut down the federal government. you're looking at debt ceiling all the way on may 18th. congressional aides saying treasury is telling them pause of extraordinary measures they can use, this pushes the debt ceiling day back to sometime this summer perhaps if this is a bill that clears congress and the s
spending, a debt ceiling fight and a fiscal cliff fight. the president is talking about fox again. it's what happens when he gets into a fight. >> greta: it would be so much better if he would sort of man up and get in the arena instead of sits on the side line and talks to his comfortable media. pan it's so easy for him to take a shot and come here and be treated with respect and you know he will be here and bill o'reilly will probably treat him respectfully. he'll probably never talk to sean, but sean will be respectful and he won't come here. >> and research has shown that more democrats watch fox than republicans watch some of the other news networks and if you go back to the debt ceiling fight. one. things that angered the white house was republicans were saying repeatedly, the president hasn't put forth a plan. what is his plan to cut spending and the answer was, well, you're just spouting fox talking points and that's when you get mad. when you ask them for some substantive commitment on issues what you've seen in the last few weeks. >> we call members of the democratic party e
out fox. summer of 2011, big fight over the debt ceiling at the time. jay carney, white house press secretary accuses ed henry, our white house correspondent of spouting republican talking points. and now, to get into this fight over more and more spending. we have had a debt ceiling fight and a fiscal cliff fight, the president's talking about fox again. >> it would be so much better if he would man up and get in the arena. instead, he sits on the sidelines and talks to the comfortable media -- i don't blame him. but it's easy to take a shot. but he can come here. r. he will be treated with respect. bill o'reilly -- he would never talk to sean. but sean would be respectful am but he doesn't, you know, he won't come here -- and -- >> the research has shown more democrats watch fox than republicans watch some of the other news networks. if you go back to the debt ceiling fight, one of the things that angered the white house was republicans were saying, repeatedly, the president hasn't put forth a plan. wais his plan to cut spending? the answer was, you are just spouting fox talking p
with the debt ceiling because as we sit down here on the floor of the new york stock exchange watching a market that has largely gone up and not paid much attention to that fight of late, what are your expectations? can you expect anything better than we got with the cliff? >> i don't think we're going to see the debt ceiling being an issue. i think it would be foolish to hold the nation hostage by having a fight over the debt ceiling. i think we'll see it with sequestration. that's coming march 1st, not too far away and with the budget and the continuing resolutions. i think that's where the real fight will be, and i think we're seeing the consequences of an economy that's not investing, a government that has to pull back and what we saw in the gdp report yesterday, and, you know, who knows what we'll see tomorrow on the jobs report, but it's slowed down the economy and we're all waiting. >> absolutely. mark, good to have you on the program. thanks very much. >> thanks, maria, thanks, scott. >> we'll see you soon. the dow on pace for the best in 19 years or 24 years. it all depends on how you
an extension of the debt ceiling, raised the debt ceiling for the future. and i didn't vote for that. there were no cuts included in that bill. the only cut that we have ever come up with is this 1.2 trillion, because the committee, the special select committee couldn't come up with a spending reductions, were now going to have as part as sequestration. i don't really believe in across the board cuts. i think that's irresponsible. but in the absence of cutting spending someplace to replace those 1.2 -- >> got to take it where you get it. >> it's not the only way we're going to get it. >> it's never a good time to cut spending. it's one of the things i've learned. i guess i saw it years ago when i worked down there. but reporting on this thing night after night, one of the things i learned, senator moran, is it's never a good time to cut spending. so march 1st is an interesting deadline. >> i'm not voting to set the sequester aside unless we cut the 1.2 trillion someplace else. >> good luck on that. senator jerry moran of kansas, thank you very much, sir. we appreciate it. >> thank yo
resolution. we seemed to have punted down the road the idea of using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. that's question number one. number two, can the rate of earnings grow? the earnings numbers are okay. earnings growth has slowed. can that rate of earnings growth sustain this kind of rally, these kinds of prices and evaluations. >> what do you think, kenny? >> i think it's ahead of itself. listen, the government put the sequestration and debt ceiling on vacation for six to ten weeks. therefore, the markets are concentrating right now. as we move through february, you can believe sequestration is going to come to the top again. when it does, it will have that whole sense of anxiety. >> let me answer questions. we are seeing revenue growth now. we have no revenue growth last quarter, now almost 4% in the quarter. if we get an acceleration even modestly top line growth, 5% maybe, that will go right to the bottom line. >> i want to get to rick santelli. he had an auction that went off the board. how does it look, ricky. >> doesn't look bad. we'll give it a grade in a minute. one issue m
with the debt ceiling negotiations. maybe some other kind of macroevent. last night saying to me, wouldn't it be ironic or weird if the big pest thing that happened hurricane the biggest fear of macromelt down never happened but instead what we got is boring old no growth? something nobody was really set up to deal with right now. that is not the dominant emotion. right now the jeep feeling is the bulls are still in charge. a lot of e-mails about siegel, jeremy siegel, 70% chance the dow will hit 15,000 this year. that was widely commented, to me at least, this morning. he sees a big increase in consumer spending. says the housing recovery is going to continue. home builders had good numbers but they are down. remember, the problem suspect the numbers they are reporting, it's the valuations. we've had pulte with good numbers, merit tash, the numbers, two times book for most of the home building companies. two times book for most of the home building companies. women pool, the guidance spectacular, 9.24 to 9.75. right now, still at 9.25. >> 19 1/2. >> to 19.75 on tri pointe homes. guys, b
happening. >> steve wood, always excellent. ashley: good stuff, sieve. now to the debt ceiling talking about washington. the senate is expected to vote on a temporary measure. rich edson in washington with more on that. rich. >> senators will likely pass the debt ceiling increase this afternoon and the president is expected to sign it extending the debt ceiling through may 18th and paving the way for the next washington fight, spending. >> the republican playbook of continuing complaining about spending is something we know we have to do something with spending. >> there are two things we know about tax increases for sure. first, they reduce jobs and hurt economic growth. and second, they distract us from addressing the real problem which is spending. >> so automatic spending cuts known as the sequester begin in march and a large forges portion of government spending authority runs out on march 27th. if lawmakers fail to reach a spending and budget deal we'll have another government shutdown then. president obama is allowing his jobs council to expire. the 2-year-old council including busine
spending reforms in areas like debt. extension of the debt ceiling for two years. clarification on europe. first, the recession needs to stabilize, but beyond that, policy initiatives clearly indicate a road to political and fiscal and banking reforms and an indication that europe is serious about improving competitiveness. resumption of growth in emerging economies, like china, and finally the federal successfully engineering a modest increase in interest rates without unleashing runaway inflation. maria, these are tall orders, i know, but resolution of all these issues would be a huge boost to business confidence, capital expenditures and hiring would increase dramatically and revenues would rise, and that's what we need, maria. back to you. >> that's some list, bob. >> pretty ambitious. >> we'll be watching that. not everybody is buying into this bull market theory, by the way. pimco's bill gross is actually warning investors to be afraid, and i mean very afraid, of how inflation and the flood of cheap money will impact investments from here on out. bill joins me exclusively from pimco
to bring you back for this. quick thought about this, can we get rid of the debt ceiling? >> iveng what we're seeing is some of the political brinksman ship around the debt ceiling may be a thing of the past. the renls certainly got hurt politically trying to use that tool as leverage. 6/hopefully it's an indication that that particular kind of brinksman ship is behind us. >> we'll see. i never put it beyond politicians. when the story changes, they'll change. julie, now win promise you can have your coffee break or tea break. try tea, it's very nice. english breakfast. very good thing to have first thing in the morning. we'll come back to you, jules, julia. >>> in the united states, in addition to the jobs report, there are some other pieces of the economic data. the final look at january consumer sentiment is out at 9:55 a.m. eastern. on the corporate front, exxon mobil, chevron, merck, tyson foods all report earnings before the bell. january sales are also out. they're expected to be seen at the strong rate compared to last year. this is all thanks to pent up demand as well as the impro
is under 2 percent growth. you know, if we don't resolve some of the debt ceiling and some of the spending cuts and get into some of the fiscal order that you were talking about, you're going to have that weight on it, and even though you proposed a lot of hope with japan in terms of some of the political leadership, they are still in negative growth was 7%. so now your up to 50% or so of world gdp that is a drag on the economy. how you look at, you know, the broader sense of contagion as it relates to the emerging market growth and development country growth with 50 percent of world's gdp possibly in that situation? >> i think the trade figure still at all, whether you agree with the figures of growth are not, i think the trade figures show what is happening. there is no doubt, picking one of the countries mentioned, china, i mean, china for the last of the years has been double digit growth. last year they had one of the worst years in recent memory. we will see the final figures coming out. it did not give below 7%, which i view as hard landing, but when you move from double digits down
. i think they will do the same thing on the upcoming debt ceiling and sequestration. ashley: so if we do have this pullback after the state of the union, jeff, what sectors or stocks in particular do you like? >> i actually like all the sectors except the consumer staples. a lot of portfolio managers, professional money has been hiding out in the consumer staples because they were worried about the upcoming election, the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, china slowing, you name it, dysfunctional government. now it has become more apparent our dysfunctional government has become a little bit less dysfunctional i think investors will start to have to look at the fundamentals. i think the fundamentals with the housing situation, the automobile strength i think it is going to come to the fore. tracy: i hope you're right, jeff saut, with raymond james. thank you very much, sir. >> you bet. ashley: jeff says when housing is healthy and automobile industry is healthy that's always a good sign for a solid recovery. tracy: he is not wrong, right? they do kumbaya at the last minute. ashley: good
managers are telling washington right now. let's take a look at the next idea about the debt ceiling debate. i think this is a really important finding here, guys. we ask do you think congress is going to increase the debt ceiling every time it's reached, refuse to raise it at some point and don't know? you can see 86% are saying that congress will raise the debt ceiling every time it's reached this year, when i think about some of the reasons why stocks have gotten higher because i think that thread along with the fiscal cliff has come out of the market and that there's overwhelming sentiment that coss i solve the get problem. we asked wall street to grade our treasury secretary going out and one coming in. you can see a pretty strong sentiment that he was a seed secretary with a 2.2. jack lew, the sentiment there. 2.0. one more thing on the deficit i just want to say and maybe this is worthy of discussion here. i think this is a sign that things have improved, at these economists and guys on wall street are saying we should solve the deficit and do it now. i think if things were as bad as
is expected to vote this afternoon on a bill to suspend the debt ceiling for three months, following the house. this would allow more house for debate on the fiscal issues we're facing. the senate version includes several republican amendments, though, including matching spending cuts for every dollar increase in the debt ceiling. those amendments expected to be defeated. the bill won't technically raise the debt ceiling, but it will suspend it until may 19th when it will be raised by the amount that the treasury borrows in the interim. that's how it's going to work. and markets, as we've been talking about on a tear this month with the dow having its best january in decades. but will yesterday's surprising drop in gdp reign in the bulls, it says here? let's get a read on the state of the economy. at least it wasn't a -- that kind of rein. there's three of them. anyway, joining us for the next hour is bob bruska. that's fao -- >> no. you cannot. >> fao economics. as becky said at the top, things are going to go really well or the market is going to have an '87 crash. >> i like the binary outlo
. the president to so confidently told congress last month that he would refuse to negotiate on the debt ceiling is now looking for that same congress to bail him out. president obama desperate for help with the trillion dollars sequester that was the bright idea of the white house. the president today made his plea for help in deferring the onset of the sequestered for another few months. it sounds a lot more like an order for more of the same short term, small minded fakes that has become the way washington of late. >> this congress cannot act immediately on a bigger package. if they cannot get a bigger package done by that time the sequester is scheduled fox business to affect then i believe they should at least passed a smaller package of spending cuts and tax reforms that would delay the economically damaging effects of a sequester for fear -- few more months. lou: headed in the right direction icaria statement considering that it contracted the last quarter, and as he is fond of doing, insisted that republicans give him something for the privilege of doing his bidding. he wants more revenu
up through april is the debt ceiling and what congress is going to do about that. and particularly, one number that was interesting this week was personal income and spending. it was a great number, but when you look forward, my concern is the new tax policies that are in place. and that amount of money may not be in consumers' pockets going forward. so it's been a great rally here in january. but i look for a pullback and i think we could see a 5% pullback when you look at interest rates hovering around 200 basis points, can't really pop any higher than that from a yield standpoint. i agree a correction is in the air and it is something we have to take a little pause, see where we're at and where we may go going forward. liz: yeah, i mean, we can't ignore the fact -- i want to check it because it changes moment by moment -- but the vix just at 13, straddling there? i mean alan you are looking at an energy and commodities picture over there. but when there is very little fear, and rising stocks, rising commodities, and a falling volatility index that just looks -- i mean we're show
, are we going to shoot ourselves in the foot and not raise the debt ceiling? or not come to an agreement on varies things is one of the main things that can derail us. i'm more nervous about europe than some people. interest rates are down in some of the most troubled countries and their troubles are still there. we still have a risk to the economy. i don't see us heading off to a robust, fast recovery. i think 2013 will be better than 2012. i wish i could tell you that it would be really good because that's what we need. >> i don't call myself an economist. i specialize in economic policy. i try to be a good consumer of other forecasts. one thing i learned from that is frankly i don't trust any macro forecast that goes beyond six months. i don't think -- they are just guessing beyond that. i think we probably -- at least i would have similar reactions. i am still concerned about the risks posed by europe. i'm still quite concerned about the risks from things heating up in the middle east. the u.s. economy is repairing itself. we don't have at significant housing drag that we did a year
merit. president obama has signed a debt ceiling suspension into law. the measure allows the government to keep borrowing to pay its bills. it puts off the next congressional battle over the debt ceiling until may. boeing is asking the faa for permission to resume test flights of its grounded 787 jet. it wants to test the batteries and other components in flight since certain conditions can't be simulated on the ground. the faa is evaluating boeing's request. >>> in wall street 2013 rally interrupted with a major averages suffering their worst one-day loss in a year on monday's trading. the last hour we spoke to goldman's jim o'neil about the prospects of making money in this market. >> i think to sell if you're a medium term player is probably not a smart move. but if you've made all the gains, to take some off the table isn't a crazy idea either. >> joining us now is nouriel roubini, chairman and co-founder of roubini global economics. you're not like a market master, maybe like a market jedi. plus andrew still here from fortune magazine. the one and only. we haven't seen you in a lon
and the debt ceiling battles? will all of these numbers go out the window? >> well i think the biggest problem this country has is debt. eventually debt has to be paid back and the problem is we adding three billion a day to the deficit, and i'm just worried that one day we're going to wake up and the market's eyes are going to open up and say wait a minute, look at all these debt and start hitting the wrong way. but look. so far so good. for whatever reason the market likes what it sees, and i never argue with the market. it's kind of stupid to do that. i think you would be run over by a train if you bet against it right now. >> heather: gary kaltbaum joining us. thank you so much. we appreciate your insight as always. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> gregg: so he gave us the barney cam. remember that, and he was by president bush's side throughout his eight years in the white house. what the former president is now saying about his beloved scottish terrier. yeah the barney cam. >> heather: hours before the big game, gregg, new developments and allegations involving nfl player ray lewis. >> greg
, you've got the sequester, right, coming up march 1st, kicked the can a bit on raising the debt ceiling. >> want to watch the four ps, production, politics, profits, along as profit numbers come through, the market can lift. the personal income, the jobs number and the production is the industrial expansion. this last quarter was low, but mine us 0.1% because of defense reduction. other parts of the economy are doing well, especially the consumer. >> let's talk about what took us here. bank of america doing very well, verizon, at&t. you had the financials and the telecom stocks as the leadership groups. merck was down 2%. exxon down. three dow stocks were actually down. what happened there and what are you seeing at the end of the kay? >> finally seeing the laggards catching up and telecoms have done okay during this period, but i think what uruguay seeing is the overall economic data with the exception of the weaker gkp number. all the other data was very strong and all the companies are pulling up with that. >> and then with that, swing it around, what happened there. dts. what happen
to delay having to debate raising the debt ceiling? >> well, it was a decision by house republican leaders a few weeks ago. they tried in 2011 to use the debt limit as a lynch -- leverage point to force obama to swallow spending u cuts. it worked but -- [inaudible] to something like 9%. and they recognize that it was a bad idea. i mean, gambling with the credit of the united it turned out is a bad idea. we were downgraded for the first time in nation's history. they department want to do that again. like i said, i didn't want to vote for a bigger national debt either. that doesn't fit with their philosophy. they came up with the strategy of saying we're going us is fend. and in the meantime, they want the senate to pass a budget for 2014 and the law salses that -- says that if either chamber fails to adopt a budget by april 15, the paychecks will be docked. the idea of the thing is to postpone the sort of economy raddling default situation until they can prosecute the continuing fight over taxes and spending to a point where, you know, both are satisfied and the debt limit can be raised ag
'm waiting for the spring. >> what's happening in this spring? >> the sequester, next debt ceiling debate, a number of items that might send the market 10% lower. >> that's true but i have too much money to think about policy and not enough thinking about the fundamentals. >> 90% of hedge funds conform the market. the stock market was up 7% and the hedge funds averaging 8% or show. lot of that average performance came from worrying about these speed bumps. >> you can argue they were hedged. >> that might be. >> if you and andrew have never seen a period 800 on the dow, then 1200, then 3200, then 4200, then 6200, that was unbelievable to watch for 20 years. if you've never seen that, you have no input or experience on how that feels or work out, right? that would be a whole new dynamic -- >> i wasn't alive. >> i know. when that gets gone -- >> there's not enough research to support that point, the way people experience things in 20s and 30s it's with them their whole lives. joe and i think the bull market is normal and you guys think they're abnormal. >> if you haven't been through that --
, but things look good. we did not go over the fiscal cliff and we did not hit the debt ceiling. evidence is piling up. >> that's true. here is the thing that struck me about hagel hearings, it seemed at times that chuck hagel was surprised that these people were not happy with him. it's as if he did not read a newspaper in month. >> his response to the surge question. mccain is the biggest supporter of the surge, he led it. chuck hagel disagreed and mccain seems to be right. and hagel looked surprised by the question. in defense of molly's story and washington is getting better. that was not about dysfunction of washington, the two of them just do not like each other. that has nothing to do do with the broader things washington. the issue matrix is changing a bit. what we with saw in 2009 and 2010, when health care and economy were on the table, those are where the parties are fundamentally divided. that is going to be true. but the immigration, there's not the same divide with them. so it's not a polarizing issue with john kerry. part of the reason we are seeing less dysfunction -- on o
important that house republicans made the move for a short-term compromise on the debt ceiling. that's good news for markets because it shows politicians are not going to play chicken with the one thing that could really make a difference to the u.s. economy. it does suggest, though, that both the sequester and the continuing resolution might be places where opposition republicans take the opportunity to try to extract some containment trt white house. >> and what's your -- as you've priced that in, what do you expect, actually, the to be the outcome as we head into march towards the end of the month? is there more fiscal drag related tr these talks? >> we still see economic up sides for the u.s. citi economists have improved their growth forecast overall, but this isn't helping and it's not necessarily helping business confidence. what we think markets may not be prepared for is the fact that ee quest ragz is now likely to kick in. these are comments from both parties suggested that they be willing to allow this to happen. it may be the lesser of the evils. >> what are we talking about wit
had earmarked for the equity market. we have avoided the fiscal cliff posted on the debt ceiling. earnings are decent, decent economic indicators here and outside the u.s. on balance is good, not everyone of them. we have central bankers all over the world, but begging for reflation putting money in the system and a lot of cash getting zero return and those things i think are the reason the stock is likely to continue going. connell: that is the last one i want to pick up on because reading your most recent numbers is lack of tolerance for the cash balances giving a zero return, so people do look and say i can't get a return for a decent yield on anything, so i would rather be in stocks than any kind of fixed income class. if any of that changing in the future, and if so at what point? interest rates have to go up some point, don't they? >> i think they will continue to creep higher, but they can't go a lot higher because the economy would then weekend. so i think as we globalize and the rate race will continue hig, but a lot of cash out there saying when things were volatile in
, a strong first half of the year, and something happened, usually out of washington, s&p downgrade, debt ceiling debate, take the pick, and we fell off the cliff. do you see that happening this year? >> after the election in germany this fall, yes, i expect things will be bad in the world economy. cheryl: you mentioned europe four times now. >> yeah, i mean, there's going to be a lot of good news, and she's got one of the largest economies in the world. her central bank in europe is printing money as well now. everybody's printing money. cheryl, it can't go on. it's artificial. it's a pool of par dies. if it's based on printing presses, that's a bad theme. cheryl: the lost decade. gym -- jim rogers, thank you very much. congratulations on the book. >> thank youings thank you, make that two lost decades. cheryl: that's right, thank you. dennis: the dow is now at 13999, but they will be right some day. all right, looks like the housing recovery could be for real. december home prices making the highest leap in six and a half years, this as a third of listings in some markets, washington, d
they a debt ceiling in may, sequester coming up anytime soon now. on the flipside though you are even suggesting will be some m&a activity going on this coming year. of course housing is looking really good. >> yeah. certainly there are a lot of key things working for the economy right now. housing one of them. certainly manufacturing. starting to really move and of course, you know the cheap energy that we enjoy. putting that all together we're certainly, you know, trying to head into what would be a, you know, a first year of an austerity year, right? we are going it see some government cutbacks with many so what of a running head start. so i think that is good news. like i said, we've seen some tax increases. i would like to see spending reports as a result of these new taxes. tracy: right. >> in place. we'll have to see how that works out. and of course then sequestration which, you know, paul ryan and other republicans are braced for going ahead and tripping over it. so that could amount to roughly a 3% cut in government spending. tracy: jack, actually i've been hearing more and
it sounds like to me but i'm not certain. >> that's a good answer. >> your thoughts on the debt ceiling. >> no. >> you think we are in danger of a bond bubble? >> i don't even know what that is. >> which mario has done a better job monti or draghi? >> monti or draghi? you know i have no idea what you're talking about, so -- >> what's your favorite show on television? >> hmm. "american greed." >> really? >> yeah. >> can you open that up for me? >> oh! >> you just made my day. >> i wish we could show more of that stuff. that was michael james, guys. and he was touched. because he tweets about "american greed" all the time. and i went on to talk to him about his favorite show and he's like god forgive me, but the one when the preacher steals from the church, and he went through this whole thing about how that's his favorite show. matt burke went to harvard he knows his stuff with the ravens and the kicker for the niners, he's a cramer guy and he's a conservative aaa-rated tax-free bond guy. >> i feel so bad for these guys because it's kind of like talking to me about football. if you ask m
resolution and postponed debt ceiling decision. which shouldn't be a decision. and all you have been hearing from the majority in the house and the republicans in the senate is austerity, austerity, cuts, cuts and avoiding the whole discussion of the fact that those -- that attitude and philosophy is only going to worsen the economy if the sequestration goes through, that is 660,000 jobs lost the first year and the balancing act is about creating revenue and creating revenue from sources that should be on the table, but aren't being discussed on the table. balancing act is about investment in this term with jobs, education, r&d's in order to grow and stin the recovery we are on. investment in this term. and we all recognize the deficit is an issue, but an issue over a long-term and the balancing act by repealing sequestration, creates for us in this country an opportunity to continue to recover and stabilize our economy, invest in things that we need for the future and put on the table revenue that is not there that needs to be part of the revenue generation that we need in order to deal wit
consensus to keep kicking the can down the road. i think the debt ceiling went like groundhog day. it's like this time we're going to have this debate. then at midnight on new year's eve we pass a bill and give senators six minutes to reid it before it goes and we've now avoided the fiscal by kicking the can down the road which now we passed a bill to push off until may the reckoning for the debt ceiling. nobody has come to the table to try to fix things. i say the senate hasn't actually passed a budget. the president and democrats haven't passed a budget in four years. there is a fundamental inability for congress to do their job. you are supposed to pass a budget by april 15. you are supposed to reconcile all those bills by october. that hasn't happened in four years. instead we've had this crisis atmosphere where things are passed in the middle of the night and nothing gets done. >> we only look at law makers records as they pertain to gun related issues. the numbers in the house and numbers of the senate haven't changed so much from the previous congress but there are faces that haven't
of default. >> whited lawmakers decided his best to delay the debt ceiling? >> about two weeks ago they tried in 2011 to use the debt and then as a leverage point to force obama to swallow spending cuts. it worked, but it is terribly damaging to the nation's economy and their political capital. with something like 90% in august of 2011 and they recognize this is a bad idea. thing is a pretty bad idea of a downgrade for the first time. they didn't want to do that again, but they didn't want to vote for a thicker national debt either. that doesn't care what their philosophy to pick them up with a strategy and in the meantime we want the senate to pass a budget for 2014 and the law says if either chamber fails a budget, paychecks will be docked. the whole idea is to postpone the economy default situation until the prosecutor at the continuing fight over taxes and then made to a point where both sides are satisfied in the debt limit can be raised again. >> how a template of a increasing the deficit in effect the economy and financial markets? >> where do you know the answer. it's sort of jan at t
of this coalition. host: how did you vote on the debt ceiling issue? guest: i did vote for the no budget, no pay bill. i believe it is an important principle. i just left this weekend, handing copies out in the district. people think that we have to stop spending money that we do not have. as i mentioned, budgets are not the sexiest topic. it is difficult to get 1 million people to march on the capital because we do not have a budget, but what families, small- business owners, church leaders, school board members understand is that if you do not have a budget, you spend more. it is remarkable what has, on. in some ways the bill was a gimmick, but within a few hours patty murray held a press conference announcing that we would pass a budget this year. i think that that is vital in bringing together some sort of compromise over the course of the next several months. it is difficult to have legitimate policy discussions without numbers to look at. host: congressman luke messer, from the sixth district of indiana. woodbridge, virginia, democratic line. hello. caller: i want to address people who say
. the guy who helped craft the debt ceiling plan. when he puts out that budget that is the document republicans have to run on the next two years because it has severe spending cuts on the domestic side because they have to balance the budget in ten years, a mighty task because they don't want to raise taxes. >> he has no interest in the sheer grind of campaigning. it's hard to see him having what it takes to run for president in 2016. is that even in his mind? is that a possibility for him? >> i don't think he's ever rule it out having been the veep last time and having national statutostature and i do think you have to wapt badly and willing to go for two years that state to state, talking to folks at the grassroots and i don't think he really likes that. likes the idea of spending some time with his family and work the halls of congress. the next two years are about austerity for the republican party. that would be really tough to run for president trying to partially privatize medicare and cut domestic spending across the board. >> quickly, paul ryan, does he have what it takes
fighting with republicans over the idea of raising the debt ceiling. guess what? it's time to pay the piper. >>> it's been delayed once. the president can argue all the bad things will happen and the food will be unsafe and the nuclear weapons will get lost in russia or whatever else he'll say, but eventually this is a problem that can't just be outrun. >> well, and the white house, at least the president's version of the story is he didn't come up with sequester and there are questions as you mentioned about jack lew being the man who came up with this, that there's some connection to the administration. he said congress came up with it, it's their fault, they have to deal with it. something else he may talk about today is essentially this theme that the economy is poised to start growing this year. we know it didn't grow. in fact, it went in reverse the fourth quarter of 2012 and unemployment went up last week, so where are the green sprouts of growth? >> well, we've seen this movie before, haven't we? every time it looks like things are getting ready to go, there's another problem and th
that we were holding back growth, if we got past the fiscal cliff and solved the debt ceiling which we did we would unleash all of this economic activity in the first quarter. it happened already. it happened in the third quarter. happened in the fourth quarter. and we know now that gdp for all of 2012 as it stands now, 1.5%, not very good. we didn't help anything back to have a burst of activity coming forward which is why i think economists still project the first quarter another sub par quarter around 1.5. >> you're saying the phenomenon they're talking about as uncertainty was more of a tax issue only pulling the money forward to pay the lower tax rate. second issue, ghost busters. no. second issue is rotation. this is the number one topic. and what says jim bianco on the rotation conventional wisdom? >> you just hinted it. it was all about taxes in late december. everybody pulls forward. bonuses, distributions, 401(k), whatever, paid in late december. yes a lot of money went into stocks. more money went into bonds. even more money went into money market funds. everybody got money in j
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